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Malchior Devenholm · Jul 27, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Anybody care to think yet how much dmg this bad boys are gonna deal?

I thought of the spear as being slower attack speed than a bow, with slightly more max dmg, also being not as slender as a bow it probably wont fly as fast through the air leading to the possibility it is less accurate or has less range than a longbow *i suspect recurve bow range with spears* So perhaps dmg something like 18-31 or 18-32?

The scythe i see as a weapon that will be easy to swing, but the fact it's 2-handed means it will take longer to swing. However, the blade on teh scythe is not as heavy as a hammer and not as painful, i expect scythe to swing faster than hammer but slower than axe and sword.

With such speed a scythe may have a dmg range of 18-30?

Anybody else care to throw in a few stabs at how much dmg these things can deal out?

lyra_song · Jul 27, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Spear...hmmn...i cna imagine some spears have differing ranges/firing rates just like bows.

15-30

Scythe

18-30 sounds reasonable

Fox Reeveheart · Jul 27, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

seriously now o.o the melee weapon BETTER HAVE higher damage than the darn spear :\ its just stupid if a two handed weapon will have less damage than a ONE HANDED throwing spear. Heck if its one handed, I don't expect the damage to be that high.

I expect this...

Spear damage: 18-25 Better than a sword, not as high max as an axe but much better minimum damage. REMEMBER THAT ITS ONE HANDED AS SHOWN IN THE PICTURE!!!

The scythe... not as good as a hammer but obviously better than a axe...

Scythe damage: 25-32 seems good o.o

Edit: I just remembered the two handed bow max damage is 28... for one hand I say now that spears will probably be half the distance of the agro circle and have a damage of like... 22 or 23

Malchior Devenholm · Jul 27, 2006, 05:22 PM // 17:22

True Fox, but think

Bow Max, 15-28
Axe Max, 6-28

hmm..... ranged over melee FTW?

The spear will deal more dmg because its heavier so in case, it should impact more force by standard physics. I dont expect small little throwing spears, i see the big ones as shown in the Weapon Wielding Picture

Dif spears=dif speeds, i had that in mind lyra, just couldn't come up with which speeds we'll see in time, but i still dont think a spear will= the range of a longbow, cuz its a lot harder to throw a large stick than to shoot a small one

Fox Reeveheart · Jul 27, 2006, 05:27 PM // 17:27

but it would just not make sense if a one handed ranged weapon did the same damage as a two handed weapon... sure its half the range... but think that you will also have a shield to help compensate for that :\

Malchior Devenholm · Jul 27, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

true true...perhaps that weapon picture aint the real deal in terms of size

BigTru · Jul 27, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Depends on the way Scythes function, imo.

If the scythe deals AoE damage with every swing, it will have less damage range than a hammer. If the AoE damage comes purely from skills, it'd probably have a higher damage range than hammer since AoE damage skills are mostly redundant on melee characters, atleast where balance actually matters, PvP.

Genetic · Jul 27, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

I personally think that a spear should more damage than a bow. What hurts more: getting hit with an arrow or a spear(giant arrow)? I think spears should be around
(17 to 20)-(30 to 33)<--if you can make some sence out of that. Just give them a slightly slower refire rate, or put a little more arc on them to make them a little less accurate.

Another idea i had about the spear would be to give it sword or axe damage, but give it armor penetration.
Oh and the scythe...whatever, i wanna make a paragon.

lyra_song · Jul 27, 2006, 05:41 PM // 17:41

1 word: Atlatl

You wouldnt believe the range of a throwing dart...

Malchior Devenholm · Jul 27, 2006, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigTru

Depends on the way Scythes function, imo.

If the scythe deals AoE damage with every swing, it will have less damage range than a hammer. If the AoE damage comes purely from skills, it'd probably have a higher damage range than hammer since AoE damage skills are mostly redundant on melee characters, atleast where balance actually matters, PvP.

AoE Dmg per hit :P yeah right

And how the heck do u see a scythe *a slash weapon* dealing more dmg than a hammer *a blunt weapon*

mqstout · Jul 27, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

I want spears to be melee (but at a slight distance) weapons, not thrown

Malchior Devenholm · Jul 27, 2006, 05:51 PM // 17:51

that won't happen-its already been mostly proven...

Dobermann · Jul 27, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malchior Devenholm

True Fox, but think

Bow Max, 15-28
Axe Max, 6-28

hmm..... ranged over melee FTW?

DREAM ON MAN!! whats the maximum dmg bonus a bow will do? i think with RTW and Punishing shot it'd be somming like +28-29 in total, but max bonus dmg from an axe skill is +42 :P

Nevin · Jul 27, 2006, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Spear - 15-28
Scythe - 10-32

Felbryn · Jul 27, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

If Paragons are supposed to be "mid-line" then it seems reasonable their range would not only be less than a long bow, but probably less than a wand.

Bows deal more damage per hit than a sword or axe, but have slower attack speed, and they're two-handed.

The thought that spears are heavy might push Anet towards giving them high damage, but only if they have low attack speed to compensate and keep the DPS balanced, and attack speed can't get too low before it starts to interfere with the use of attack skills and adrenaline-building, which will also impact balance. Real-world physics can and should take a back seat to balance, and Anet's been doing this long enough to know that.

One would expect the DPS on spears to be less than swords or axes (due to range advantage) but more than wands (due to specialization and probably shorter range)--all of those weapons use one hand. Since their attack rate probably won't vary that much, there's a good chance their damage per hit is also between those.

One would similarly expect the scythe DPS to be in line with hammers (the other two-handed melee weapon). Probably faster speed and lower damage, since the image presented of Dervishes is that they rely on agility.

Takonic · Jul 27, 2006, 09:47 PM // 21:47

spears not too sure,i think 15-28 sounds right though...like a bow, different refire, different arc...

Scythes? i have a itchin feeling they gonna have a wide range....6-32

Solar_Takfar · Jul 27, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

the wide range for scythes makes sense, because a critical hit with one of them should be really devastating. Hmmmm. A/D...

Delta247 · Jul 27, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

scythe slashing dmg 9-41
spear piercing dmg 14-27

look at pvp weapons

Khift · Jul 27, 2006, 11:33 PM // 23:33

Well, it looks like we won't be seeing many /D characters using scythes considering how important crits are going to be in their DPS. (You have a much higher chance to crit at 16 weapon mastery than at 12.)

Except maybe for an A/D with 16 crit strikes and 12 scythe mastery...

eggs0wn · Jul 28, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta247

scythe slashing dmg 9-41
spear piercing dmg 14-27

look at pvp weapons

Correct.